I make no claim to have solved
any of the great issues of human nature
but we do well to hold up for contemplation
the many instances of kindness and human goodness
this world affords –
irrespective of creed, culture or politics –
lest we despair and go mad…
faith trembles, halts, flutters on broken wings…
but is…
What prompted this post
I won’t link to the post that prompted this, because it is far too disgusting, and a sad example, whatever the intention, of where “realism” — and bad taste — may lead…
The post in question displays an horrific atrocity picture in order to highlight the evil that is war. The trouble is the image is of a kind that should never, in my opinion, be published without warning or some means of making sure it is not seen by just anyone who comes along. The image is patently obscene. So of course is war, but that isn’t the point. To quote Stuart Walton’s Humanity: an Emotional History (2004) — a book, incidentally, taking Charles Darwin’s little-known The Expression of Emotion in Man and Animals as its starting point:
What complicates disgust as a moral response is that it is almost always driven by anger. Sometimes that anger stems from a painful sense of our own impotence in the face of provocation, and sometimes anger itself turns to disgust at ourselves for continuing to put up with whatever it is that enraged us, instead of seeking some form of redress… Where it addresses our social circumstances, however, it is the indispensable prerequisite to their improvement…
I have no doubt the aim of the image in the post which triggered this one is to evoke the disgust that leads to improvement; unfortunately the image is so disgusting that it instead raises questions about the person selecting and publishing it. Whatever the motive, then, I find its open publication indefensible morally and aesthetically, as well as tactically. And that, I would venture to say, would be the judgment of most mature readers. There are some adolescents, of course, who seek such things out on sites like rotten.com — does it still exist? — and get a certain frisson thereby, but most of us get beyond that…
This has been known to happen before… Sorry, there is no way I will directly link to it, but some of you would have had your three guesses, I should imagine.
I suppose there is some consolation in reflecting that the image relates to atrocities that can’t really be attributed to religion, coming as it does from the Rape of Nanking in the 1930s — an incident I do know quite a lot about, I should add.
UPDATE
I have returned to the offending post, just making sure I have been fair. I have no doubt the aim of the image in the post which triggered this one is to evoke the disgust that leads to improvement, it occurs to me, is conceding too much, as the rubric that accompanies the graphic image from Nanking is:
QUESTION FOR THE MATURE: Does war dehumanize or simply reveal man’s true nature?
That comes after several quotations on the need to tell the truth or face up to the truth about ourselves, and the bit in CAPS BOLD appeared after my post was published. The image comes first and dominates the post in question. The young and vulnerable are not in any way prevented from seeing the offensive image, or warned about it before encountering it. So it would appear that what we have is disgust that leads to disgust… I would say that such an image tells us nothing about man’s true nature, no more than my counter-image does. I could say essentialism but I am not all that fond of that ploy; I would rather say paradox, and would further say that it is up to each one of us to take responsibility for the image of humanity we choose to present. At the same time, the question itself is not fatuous — in fact is a good question, even if framed in a way that seems to me to suggest an answer.
If fear of hell fire is a bad idea for religion — especially for the young and vulnerable — and it is, then so too is gross pessimism about our very natures such as the offending post invites, which strikes me as Calvinism without redemption.
That does not make me a Mary Poppins or a Candide…
It does make me someone who is aware that people of all ages and backgrounds may read my posts. That does not limit my opinions, but it does impose a certain duty too. I would hope that the blogger concerned might reconsider his choice of image, or failing that, list his blog in the “adult” category, or make this particular post less openly accessible. Or even do something like this or this. I don’t hold out much hope of any of those occurring.
REARRANGEMENT 22 August
Because there was a danger of the actual counter-post being lost in the controversy, I have rearranged but not altered what was originally here and added more tags.








Bruce
August 20, 2008 at 7:20 pm
I’ve been contemplating the same thing a bit of late, albeit about the kindness and nastiness that goes on in working class Australia. I’ve found the former to be more decisive on my take of things.
While I live in a somewhat safer area (but still working class), the area I moved to a few months ago has me travelling through my old stomping grounds [circa 1997-98] and I’ve found myself more and more attracted to the area. Had an interesting contrast today, between interacting with my fellow proles in an old shopping centre and the stereotypical hoon-hollering from a P-plater.
Again, the former informed my opinion on the matter the most (there was a greater occurrence of friendliness after all).
Neil
August 20, 2008 at 8:51 pm
You do seem to have taken my point there, Bruce.
Thomas
August 20, 2008 at 10:19 pm
I’m siding with your opinion on that picture Neil. And it didn’t take 3 guesses.
Neil
August 20, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Thanks, Thomas. I should add the person of course can publish whatever he sees fit. That isn’t my point.
Davo
August 21, 2008 at 12:29 am
Will put my hand up, and say that while I see the pic – am a “comfortable” Aussie, have no concept of what it “really” means. sad comment, I guess.
Neil
August 21, 2008 at 12:43 am
Time I went to bed…
You mean the pic I have here, or the one on the nameless site??
Guess even in comfortable Oz we know about bushfires, floods, cyclones, and so on — so I could probably have found a similar pic from here in Oz. However, as the nameless pic was about a Chinese horror, I chose a Chinese pic from the recent earthquake to counter it.
Davo
August 21, 2008 at 4:06 am
Perhaps sad fact, Neil .. the leadership in China have 1.3 billion people to play with – give or take a few thousand. At this point, a mere 20 million or so, Australia cannot really afford to lose one.
Neil
August 21, 2008 at 8:03 am
I am not thinking about the Chinese leadership in selecting that image, Davo. I was drawn to the nurse, and the holding of hands. I don’t think the relative size of our population to China’s detracts at all from the compassion that picture represents, which just transcends culture or politics. See also this video — which does contain disturbing images, but they are not gratuitous, which was my problem with the Nanking Massacre image on the other blog. The video also carries a warning up front about the images it will present. You will have noticed one of my issues about the Nanking post — and I am prepared to send the link to anyone who really wants to see what I am talking about but I will not make an open link — is that it is open to all comers. I am sure that if the offending blog were here on WordPress.com the owner would have already heard from WordPress. Mind you, I do prefer discretion to censorship.
The Sichuan video was posted by a Chinese student who grew up at the earthquake epicentre, but was studying overseas at the time. Again, I found myself regarding that video in purely human, not political, terms.
marcellous
August 21, 2008 at 12:33 pm
After the last time you referred to the blog in question, I formed the view that it was possibly related to another blog which I no longer consider worth reading.
Neil
August 21, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Indeed, though there are times when it is worth reading, if it were not for the heart of darkness…
AV
August 21, 2008 at 1:24 pm
I have nothing to add to my previous comments on this topic.
Neil
August 21, 2008 at 9:41 pm
I looked at that, AV. I note too that the reaction “over there” has been in accordance:
My highlighting, and perhaps one answer is the one I made when I noted one of those gnomic side-notes we all grew to love so much a little while ago.
I would feel differently about some of those images mentioned above, perhaps most of them, being used, but even there I would post some of them with a warning at least…
I wonder which part of the above post and comments — whether you agree with what I have said or not — could be truly called frumpish gossip and backbiting?
What you said about disgust on your post, AV, is interesting. Stuart Walton’s take is a little different. He does allow for a valid use of disgust, not as intellectual argument, but as a powerful motive at times for reform. One may recall the role of disgust in the work of Jonathan Swift too. I am not totally against harbouring the emotion. The image that started this did, after all, disgust me, and it disgusted me — and still does — that it was posted as it was.
It’s worth reflecting too that some who have actually been working in Darfur for example — I think of the blogger Worldman — don’t feel constrained to post graphic snuff pics… Does that make them “cowardly” and less effective?
AV
August 22, 2008 at 1:30 am
What you said about disgust on your post, AV, is interesting. Stuart Walton’s take is a little different. He does allow for a valid use of disgust, not as intellectual argument, but as a powerful motive at times for reform. One may recall the role of disgust in the work of Jonathan Swift too. I am not totally against harbouring the emotion. The image that started this did, after all, disgust me, and it disgusted me — and still does — that it was posted as it was.
I wasn’t arguing against harbouring the emotion: in many cases it’s unavoidable. It just isn’t a valid form of argument. And as powerful a motive it may be for reform, there’s a danger there, too, if it becomes a tool for propaganda and demonising people. [c.f. "Children Overboard"]
I wonder which part of the above post and comments — whether you agree with what I have said or not — could be truly called frumpish gossip and backbiting?
I would advise you to ask D for clarification, but I gather you’re in his bad books again.
Neil
August 22, 2008 at 10:19 am
I would advise you to ask D for clarification, but I gather you’re in his bad books again.
Indeed I am and have recorded the fact in the Blog Roll. As for clarification, I wouldn’t hold my breath…
AV
August 22, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Indeed I am [in D's bad books]
I have a tendency to be overly pedantic and argumentative, and this is what prompted my long and continuing sojourn in D’s bad books. (Almost 2 years and counting.) You don’t have the same failings, so I really don’t understand his beef with you—other than, you know, your “sexual deviancy.”
Neil
August 22, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Yes, sexagenarian celibacy is rather deviant…
AV
August 22, 2008 at 2:31 pm
. . . just ask an altar boy.
Boom-tish!
Davo
August 24, 2008 at 1:16 am
just popped in again on this one &, typing by torchlight, have no idea where this argument is supposed to go. have earlier posted pic of policewoman nursing kids from earthquake, that was not point. Only that Chinese leadership has bigger problem trying to hold together 1.3 bill; than aussie leadership with 20 mill.
Neil
August 24, 2008 at 7:29 am
No argument with you there, Davo. Sorry if I misunderstood your earlier comment. Fear of chaos is high up on the agenda of most Chinese, from my observation. They’ve been there before…
Neil
September 12, 2008 at 9:27 am
This post may be the starting point of some recent events here…