Watching the first Obama/McCain debate…

27 Sep

Yes, it’s live here in Sydney right now, and a bouquet to our US friends: they do this kind of thing much better than we do, in my opinion. I am sure Thomas, and others, will have a lot more to say than I propose.

For my money Obama is winning.

It is, for me, a matter of paradigm. The only one of the two that really offers an alternative to the entrenched idiocy — sorry about that — which has been US “normality” for decades is Obama. It’s time for a new paradigm in the USA. We here in Australia, and the rest of the world, beg the USA to turn away from so much that has appalled us for years and years about the way you do government and business. Only Obama offers that possibility.

For the sake of the world, and for your own sakes, get over that really really dangerous anti-“liberal” virus that has so bedevilled thinking over there — I would call it anti-reason, anti-common sense, anti-moderate, and anti just about every best interest of your own people. US conservatism, so much of it, is so wrong-headed, so hopeless, so narrow! In short, if you want to find the root of your problems just look at just about every reactionary “pundit” you have ever had over there.

It’s time for a fresh look. McCain won’t give it to you. And Palin? You are joking… You must be! 😦

Yes, I know I am generalising…

UPDATE 12.15 our time:

On the to and fro about Iran, compare Kissinger: Open direct Iran talks with what both candidates said:

WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 (UPI) — Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says the United States should begin direct negotiations with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program.
Kissinger, speaking Monday at George Washington University along with four other former U.S. State Department secretaries, said the next president should initiate high-level discussions with Iran “without conditions,” ABC News reported.

The opinion of the former secretary of state for Republican presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford differs sharply with that of the current GOP administration, which has maintained a strict policy of not negotiating directly with governments deemed to sponsor international terrorism. The Bush administration has demanded that Iran dismantle its nuclear program as a precondition for any direct talks…

BTW, if you want to comment, be constructive as far as you can; I know what I have said may be provocative.


Posted by on September 27, 2008 in America, USA


6 responses to “Watching the first Obama/McCain debate…

  1. Jim Belshaw

    September 27, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Neil, I haven’t commented on or written about the US election. However, a word of caution about Mr Obama.I would expect him to take the US in a more inward looking, protectionist stance, and I don’t think that this is in Australia’s interests.

  2. Neil

    September 27, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Not the impression I got from what he said in the debate. There’s an interesting discussion on one aspect of that in Barack Obama, Isolationist, and see especially the last comment there. As for protectionism, the present regime has been rather spotty in its policy on that surely; the US has long preached rather that practised globalism in trade, especially in the agricultural sector.

    But I can also plead uncertainty… Thomas, feel free to comment or post on this. 🙂

  3. Jim Belshaw

    September 28, 2008 at 5:47 am

    I, too, would be interested in Thomas’s comments.

  4. Neil

    September 28, 2008 at 9:04 am

    He’s probably setting a new record for hours worked. 😉

    I would also be interested on comments from David Smith and anyone else from Oz living in the USA right now… (If you’re there, David.)

  5. Thomas

    September 28, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Haha, nearly a new record. I am currently writing a post about the debate (and decided a break would be in order), and will be up soon.

    Whether Obama is inward-looking or not, if you look at everything he says, he carries an evenly weighted platform. Out of Iraq, into Afghanistan. Against shipping jobs overseas, for an amended NAFTA. He’s voted for some FTAs and opposed others. For an expanded NATO, but is for diplomacy and the UN first.

    On the economy, as a whole, because of the current situation (and leading up to, with the downturn), Obama is somewhat inward-looking. But could you expect anything less? The free market policy has done “wonders” for the US, foreign oil, jobs being exported etc. The Dems are ‘hard times’ governors, and look inwards to fix things – which is where solutions often lie.

    I think you wouldn’t be wrong if you said Obama was an isolationist on the economy, but mainly because the situation demands that he be more than ‘normal’. Whether this is bad for Australia or not is beyond my realm. Perhaps I should write a post about his policies and leave it up to you, Jim, to draw out why it’s bad for us?

  6. Neil

    September 28, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    As an excellent American novel I am reading at the moment says — there will be more about it soon — through a character just a little older than I am, this really is not my century. Nor is it John McCain’s. But it is Obama’s, and even more so yours, Thomas. I think there is a lot to be said for that realisation.

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