If there’s a catastrophe anywhere the Jihadists have done it…

16 Feb

So clever! Why, you’d wonder if we could ever win against such a cunning and resourceful opponent.

I mention this because it is surprising how much internet space is being devoted to this pet theory, aided and abetted by some who should know better. The whole thing is best put in perspective by Anorak, a satirical site, which is actually telling the unvarnished truth about what some have been saying. See Australia Fire: Warmists, Jihadists, Terrorists, Arsonist, Religionists And Opportunists.

No matter, of course, that the police disagree.

…"None at all, absolutely nothing, zero," Superintendent Ross McNeill told AFP.

"We usually rank possibilities on a scale of 0 to 10 – this would be on a negative scale," he said.

McNeill said he was aware of last year’s report, which said US intelligence channels had identified a website calling on Muslims in Australia, the US, Europe and Russia to "start forest fires"…

What would the police know? After all, bloggers are much better informed…

So far no-one seems to want to credit the Jihadists with the Queensland floods.


I mention this because I have been engaging in dialogue (if that is the right word) with another blogger whose post popped up in the list. See my comment here.


Hat tip to Bruce for this.

Irfan Yusuf posted COMEDY: Herald-Sun writer exposes marsupial jihad… on his main blog (not the one I have in my Google Reader) yesterday. He quotes, and I quote in turn, some apposite responses.

This is an unnecessary and dangerously incendiary article. How stupid and pointless to stir up anti-Muslim sentiment at a time when emotions are running high and there’s so much good will and community support to be celebrated.
Posted by: Deborah Bartlett Pitt
9:53am today

Don’t fall for this people. The general Muslim community want nothing to do with these lunatics. As arsonists walk amongst our community, idiots walk amongst theirs.
Posted by: CFA Volunteer
12:05am today

It is very likely, no doubt, that certain “jihadist” web sites may have “rejoiced” in the tragedy. That of course is sick, but on the other hand is rather analogous – very analogous – to the “it’s God’s judgement” school of thought some Christians have been foolish and tasteless enough to embrace. The “jihadist” rejoicing, however, in no way proves cause – which would in fact be post hoc reasoning.

As for Sheikh Haron, I suspect this nasty piece of work is heavily into self-aggrandisement. I’ve downloaded and read his “claim of responsibility” addressed to Kevin Rudd. If, that is, we believe he is real. Austrolabe makes a good case for his being a fake. Some in the comments question his mental health. Austrolabe is a Muslim site.

Enough said! That last comment cited by  Irfan, and his whole post, pretty much nails it – not to mention the assessment of the police.

Not unrelated, see Legal Eagle in a top post reminding us of the obvious: we have a legal system in this country, not lynch law. See Publication with prejudice.

…Our legal system works on the basis that this guy is innocent until proven guilty. That’s a fundamental retributive principle: we can’t punish someone unless we know beyond reasonable doubt that he deserves to be punished. We have to have a trial presenting all the relevant evidence before we judge him. We can’t just say, “He was a kooky scrap metal guy who was always lighting fires in the backyard, so he must have done it.”

By assuming this guy’s guilt without knowing all the evidence, the vigilante groups may have exactly the opposite effect from what they want. They may cause his trial to be derailed, as the defence barristers will be able to argue that he has been unfairly prejudiced before the trial even began. Do they really want to make it very difficult to prosecute this guy? Seems to me that they need to calm down and think logically and carefully about it. The same goes for the media: they need to be responsible in the way they report information about the accused.


I do think that vigilante group perpetrators should be charged with contempt of court if possible. Their behaviour is highly irresponsible, and an example needs to be made.

If ever we forget such principles we’re sunk!

Related: Four Corners: Two Days in Hell (my next post). For all posts on this topic on this blog see bushfires.

Update 18 February

I have decided to link directly to the post and thread which triggered this post. It has been at least reasonably civil, but I have reservations about our national tragedy being hijacked, in a way, to feed a particular interpretation of world events, especially given the evidence for that is so thin. Speculation is OK, I guess, and people will believe what they will. But in this case it really is a distraction. I doubt very much it will figure in the police investigations, our own national security assessments, or the Royal Commission.

You can read the post and thread and make up your own minds. The blogger concerned comes from North Carolina; he also participates in an interesting thing I hadn’t seen before called Where I Stand.  I even agree with some of the opinions expressed there, but would like this one to be wrong: The Left and Right will not find a way to live with each other in a civilized manner. What do you think?

There is to be a National Day of Mourning on Sunday 22 February.

Some of you will like this sermon by Dave Groenenboom; it’s a matter of your perspective, I guess, but I offer it as a contribution. I won’t analyse it or critique it; I do admire its spirit.



9 responses to “If there’s a catastrophe anywhere the Jihadists have done it…

  1. Benjamin Solah

    February 16, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    So wait some is blaming Jihadists for the bushfires?

  2. Neil

    February 16, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    They sure are, Benjamin. Must sound even stranger down there in Melbourne.

  3. Benjamin Solah

    February 16, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Strange indeed. Also a pastor tried to say it was god’s revenge for Victoria passing pro-Abortion laws!

    Though on a slightly related note, I’ve copped a bit of flack from people for criticizing government over their handling of emergency services. For this reason, I’ve basically refrained from blogging on the issue.

  4. Neil

    February 16, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    On ABC Local late last night someone was pointing out that the NGOs are actually better placed for delivering help quickly, especially when they have co-ordinated their efforts as well as they seem to have done this time. Government agencies tend to be tied up with red tape. That’s what was said anyway; not a matter of a lack of will — I think everyone wants to do the right thing in this.

  5. Benjamin Solah

    February 16, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Yeah, I think red tape does hinder things. But my points were more along the lines of why do we have a small volunteer firefighting force in a bushfire ridden country? Surely we have the money to fund a proper firefighting force. I know it couldn’t have prevented it, but surely it would’ve lessened the blow.

    I was also shocked (though not that surprised) that Fosters fired two of their employees because they took time off work to fight the fires as they’re in the CFA.

  6. Neil

    February 16, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    The CFA does a great job, I think, and there’s a good argument for it being owned by the community, but there have been noises about coordinating it and about who has responsibility. Maybe this will lead to that being sorted.

  7. Neil

    February 18, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Also worth noting.

    Queensland’s Muslim community has banded together to raise $10,000 for the victims of Victoria’s bushfire disaster.

    The Muslim Business Network handed over a $10,000 cheque to Health Minister Stephen Robertson and Premier Anna Bligh at Parliament House in Brisbane today, which will go towards the bushfire relief effort.

    Mr Robertson said the donation was a sign of Queenslanders’ solidarity with Victoria’s bushfire victims at a time of their greatest need.

    “All Australians have been moved by the courage and strength in adversity shown by Victorians at this time of great tragedy,” he said.

    “This donation, like those made by so many other Queenslanders, will make a real contribution to rebuilding the lives that have been shattered by this unprecedented natural disaster.

    “It will help to provide essentials to families who have lost everything and aid rebuilding efforts in these shattered communities.”

    Mr Robertson said the Muslim Business Network was well-known for its generosity, as one of the first organisations to make a sizeable donation to the Cyclone Larry relief fund within hours of its creation.

    Muslim Business Network President Dr Mahomed Khatree said it was important for the community to stand together to aid Victoria’s bushfire victims.

    “The members of the Muslim community are saddened by the loss of about 200 lives and 1000 homes due to the fires in Victoria,” he said.

    “It is an unspeakable tragedy and it is our duty to help those that are affected. We hope our contribution helps in some way to ease the pain and suffering.”

  8. George

    February 21, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    For Australian Jihad website see the link below:

    Ayatollah Sheikh Haron Manteghi Boroujerdi has sent a letter 12th February 2009 to the premier of Victoria. In that letter Sheikh Haron wrote: “It would be an act of revenge for Australian’s participation in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.”
    This Jihadist has issued a Fatwa about deliberately lighting bushfire and he has called it “legitimate bushfire lighting”.

    Can anyone here explain what type of bushfire lighting is legitimate?

  9. Neil

    February 22, 2009 at 8:36 am

    I think my post above covers this really.

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